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(Oct 22, 2006 - 4:13 PM)
LOL Microsoft is like a screen door full of holes. You bring up a good point about the cost of windows and office. Pretty soon all those teenagers and PC users will find their pirated version of MS software no longer works. If you get a cracked version...your getting software that lets your PC also get hacked into. LOL Heck many users around the world will find the software that they stole that used to run for free will no longer work...Microsoft is slowly turning off the taps. Microsoft will make sure some virus wrecks older PC's and there will be nothing you can do about it. If you dont upgrade to Vista they will have to spend hours trying to keep the wind from blowing through that screen door and it will only get worse as Microsoft focuses on the newer platform trying to keep it from also getting hacked. I know, I owned licesed windows products and still got hacked and hammered with everything. Heck Vista will still fall prey to getting hacked...so simply the windows solution is the hacked and cracked solution. Windows simply does NOT work!
In other words XP will be left with open vulnerabilities I bet to make you want to upgrade. LOL Talk about a waste of time as Vista will also leave you open just take a look at the newest IE 7 to give you an idea on how well MS is with security. You can buy an imac for less then your lost time and productivity your going to face supporting a PC with windows. For the price of playing games, get a console like an X-box or playstation instead (for about the cost of 1 PC video card upgrade). From there you just plug the game in and it works...zero setup time and upgrades. Everyday I see PC users telling you you cant play games as easily...well how easy is your PC to run games when its getting hacked all the time?
I have been sucked down the path "about games and a PC for years". The mac cant play games...blah blah blah. The fact is your PC is garbage to try and stay running without getting hacked and game conflicts with video cards etc...the PC route with games is simply not a good solution. Dont fall for the PC games TRAP. Dont waste money trying to keep your PC running games.
From here on in Vista will also be turning away all those who are not legitimately licensed and also turning off people who try to move the OS to a better drive or for who upgrades often. So PC users are FORCED to have to spend money here. I dont want to get into a talk on that Vista license bit. But I do think it challenges all those that say there is no reason for teenagers to try to write a virus for a mac. The mac mini is pretty cheap and it comes with pretty much everything you need right out of the box as you can re-use your PC monitor and USB keyboard/mouse. If they cant afford that but have the time, they could try emulating a mac with PearPC or similar with their old PC. So with emulation software around, why cant someone write an OS X virus? With a PC they are soon forced to have to upgrade the hardware...so with a PC we are talking about a significant cash outlay. The PC is no longer the cheaper choice as your are FORCED to spend to upgrade hardware and software.
PC consumers are faced with forced hardware and software upgrades. Your mention of "$500 for Windows and $700 for Office"...many of those PC users who have been hobbling along XP for years waiting for the upgrade may not want to shell out the cost--They may be sticker shocked... when they compare it to a mac mini or linux which is free. I bet many PC users will get burned first buying Vista and finding out they need more Ram or it runs too slow and they need a faster processor. What are they going to do when they find they need to move to a new machine...buy another new Vista license? Whoa HA HA HA! They are SUNK HOOK LINE AND SINKER!!! I got hammered with that before...bought windows 98 and it was flawed, so I sprung for windows ME and it also was flawed but was touted as a more stable solution. Then XP finally came out and I bought XP and it still didnt help. Vista is not going to work either...it will give you a few months grace and then years of HELL.
After all Vista is going to want you to upgrade your PC to run, so why not just get a mac instead? After all a mac can also run windows if you have too. I suspect many will find apps that do all they need under OS X and from there they can say goodbye to 99.9% of the viruses and vulnerabilities of the PC. Make the move now before you waste time and more money with windows.
I know I got sick of fighting hackers and spyware and viruses for my PC. I spent hundreds of dollars supporting norton/symantec and the like and in the end all those all still failed...nothing can protect a windows PC. A move to the mac with OS X saved me time and money and I ended up with a more enjoyable computer. If I was a student I'd have more time to study rather then fixing my old PC with windoze.
So whats this tell you? There is no reason why Mac OS X will not be targeted in the future and your right that the prize for anyone writing a mac virus will gain worldwide instant attention. Many people who currently own a PC when they find out their windows no longer runs or their office apps, they may spring for a mac that can run both and maybe....just maybe allow them to stay online using OS X and still running some legacy office and older windows apps rather then moving to expensive Vista hardware and software upgrades. In the end Mac OS X will still do a fine job patching the operating system and you will not have to spend your life scanning for stuff on your computer like you do with a PC under windows.
Its time for them to move to OS X, or try installing Ubuntu and moving to Linux with your old PC. With the cheap mac upgrade I was running right from out of the box, was connected to the internet in 10 minutes from opening the box and moved my PC data and had it opening the very first day. In fact my cheap mac mini ran better and faster then my more expensive PC. It took less time to switch then what it took to rebuild my flawed windows PC too. Either way I dont think many will find the Vista route to be an cheap way to go. In the long run less and less will be able to afford to run a PC with Windows and keep it online.
The mac just got a whole lot cheaper and popular. As for Ubuntu Linux, I just removed windows from my old PC and have spent the better part of 3 days getting it up and running. Expect a bit of a steeper learning curve getting software running, but once it does run it will stay updated and less suceptable from attacks then Windows does. OS X is far superior for ease of use.
Out of all three the mac for the small outlay of cash is simply the easiest to use giving you stability and peace of mind without having to learn anything complicated. Since the new macs can also run windows...this is a good time to leave the windows blues behind.
(Oct 18, 2006 - 1:23 AM)
Keep a PC because of the "games". LOL Now thats funny. Games is what Microsoft likes to play with you. LOL
Consoles are better made for games...like your x-box and such
You buy a PC and a video card and it isnt long before your hardware is no longer good enough. What value did you really get? The next good game requires something "else" for your PC. You run into conflictions and hassles. You leave your computer open to more attacks and then you start finding out your business data is getting comprimized from playing games with your flawed PC OS.
Spending top dollar to buy the most powerfull PC to play games is stupid...look at the rate of obsolecence.
Buy a game console like a play station or an X-box that plays games right out of the box and was designed for games or sonys new machine. The platform will support hundreds of games and by the time better graphics come out, another cheap console will be available to offer more games for you to play, if you still feel like playing games with your life. Leave your import work for your computer.
Most Buy a mac or install linux for handling your real computer needs. By the way the mac platform for handling entertainment is second to none. The macs also come with decent graphics video cards now and they can even be changed. Take a look you might be surprised.
I'm doing stuff on my mac your PC could only dream of.
Not worth hacking? LOL I get hackers trying to hack me daily. I see the packets hit my firewall. LOL I surf wherever I want. Your PC limits the areas you can surf safely. Your running a machine that cant handle the web because your running a PC with Microsoft. LOL
Oh sure a flaw will be discovered for OS X. Some patches come out periodically. Nothing is perfect. But owning both platforms I can tell you I enjoy my mac better and it is a better operating system and product. Lot less hassles and hasnt been hacked like your PC has.
Heck my PC is noisy and clunky and I spent more money on it then my mac. The mac stays on all the time and my power bill went down using it. These guys have thought of everything. Elegent and sophisticated.
(Oct 18, 2006 - 12:46 AM)
As Arnold would say in Terminator....HASTA LA VISTA baby.
Go Microsoft! Thats what I used to say too. Goodbye!
Its like a snail. Catching every virus/trojan/malware/spyware that comes it way. Now MicroSloth wants you to buy a new PC thats Vista ready. Its because they cant get their new bloatware to run on a slower computer. It also wants you to pay for their One Care charging you year after year while still letting you catch colds and deathly ill.
Microsoft will only give you "one care" and then they could care less once you have bought their new product. They will hobble it along untill you are praying that they release something else better because your spending more and more time trying to "protect" your system. Isnt that how you feel right now with XP? Later on the holes will be discovered and you will be left with nothing but a few shiny Vista disks. LOL You are already drooling to get Vista because XP runs like Junk...take a look at how long Vista is taking to develop...its like XP all over again and it will turn out to be junk too.
When it comes out, peope will say Vista is "better". They will want to believe it is and so will you. You will want to believe the ad campaign and party MS throws. You will go out and buy it and it will for a little while and then it will again render your computer and life into JUNK. It will show its holes and fall prey to hack after hack. Hack Hack Vista Attack. LOL Slowly the quality of your life will go downhill as the bugs start eating more and more holes in this mushy platform.
Microsoft is the company thats great at making good "flashy prismatic lures". Heck I thought about buying a mac when a flashy windows "CE" came out. Then I found out the hard way that was junk so I shelled out more cash to get "XP" taking that shiny CD hook line and sinker. XP is also JUNK. Full of holes spent a lot of time and dough keeping my PC.
They sold XP as a solution but it wasnt. In a few months hackers will start to chip away at its weaknesses. Vista will go the same way....sucking you into upgrading your software and hardware all for a few weeks bought time before a weakness comes out and leaves you holding a dirty bad again.
H'ASTA LA VISTA baby.
Get rid of Microsoft software....Terminate it! Get rid of Norton antivirus. Get rid of Norton firewall cause it doesnt work. Get rid of Symantec. Chuck McAfee as far as you can throw it. Throw away spybot search and destroy. Throw away spywareblaster, MS Onecare give it the one finger salute!, Avast anti virus, Spywareblaster, webroot, ghostsurf, lavasoft ad-aware, Fireball, Grisoft antivirus, Panda and on and on. Throw away your MS Office and use OpenOffice instead, dont even think about buying office for the mac...dont give Microsoft one penny. Have I missed any? Its all like a bad dream I'm glad to have walked away from. You wont be needing any of that junk.
I was going bankrupt trying to keep my wintel box running microsoft products. Spending way too much time patching, updating and scanning my computer. Now Microsoft wants to hose you all again by making you continue to by your OS over and over again for getting hacked! Microsoft wants you to buy a new computer....
So go ahead and buy a new computer...get an apple that can run windows too. Get a Mac with OS X. Get an apple and stay healthy! LOL Ready to go right from the box. No linux hurdles to cross, just a friendly easy to use computer. Load a free copy of Clam Xav antivirus if you want (you likely wont need it). Use OS X firewall. Splurge for a hardware firewall if you feel you need one (you likely dont but I moved my PC's hardware firewall over). At worst you can run your old PC software on your mac with Parallels or boot camp, but most people will find they can move on completely. You likely wont need it if you look for a OS X solution. For the small amount of software you will actually buy specific for the mac you will be glad you removed XP completely from your system.
(Oct 17, 2006 - 7:51 PM)
Add up the time on a sheet of paper all the time you spend scanning for updates, removing spyware or other such things with a PC or your macs in your office or home. Add up the value of all the yearly protection software you buy. Heck add up the boot time its takes to start your computer or all the upgrades you spend to get a bloated MS operating system to run smoothly. You want a new "Vista ready" machine now. LOL A whole bunch more investment. LOL Heck add up all the money you give to Microsoft for XP and Office and compare that to what a mac will give you. I dont care what anyone says XP has holes in it that were not getting fixed no matter what you had-I know cause I was getting hacked on one. XP was flawed from the ground up, MS Office is terribly flawed and there was nothing you could do to protect yourself without starting to spend more in security products then what most users PC cost. Vista will be the same thing you just watch. After all history is a good guide when looking at the future. I got sick of calling Microsloth after running out of new keys and needing a new key to rebuild my machine.
Unless your a company willing to shell out big dollars for some industrial router, the average home user buying off the shelf products, off the shelf hardware firewalls to protect their PC are hopelessly hacked. I hear people all the time say their PC isnt hacked. I go over there and check it out and their machine is already sending junk mail to other machines or worse...basically a controlled bot. They just dont know it because the computer still runs. They try to forget about their computer doing strange things periodically or having to reboot it because the hacker is making some fine adjustments to the system. LOL People with PC's that think their machines are working fine are in ignorant bliss using a machine that allows them to continue to do what they want to do, while at the same time under the controll of the hacker who is already using their machine for whatever they want.
I went down the bleeding path of always spending just a little bit more to buy better hardware or protection software for my PC and none of it helped. In fact I bet the hackers just had a joy breaking in again. Heck I even tried rnning proxies, bought an alphashield.com router and still was hacked! I had a choice of turning a blind eye and letting the hackers have their ay with my PC or always spending more to try to keep them out. With a highly flawed OS, thats a losing battle.
Then one day I saw a mac mini for like $650 bucks and it wasnt much more then what I was going to pay for another hard drive or better router. I seriously lauged at the salesmen in the store when I bought it because I didnt think it would work and even the salemen who ran PC's didnt think so either. I was temped to actually buy a router that was over $1000 to protect my system. You see the hackers were even putting in code on a drive so that even if you formatted the drive the backdoor would still be there. Ghostsurf helped remove some of those, but basically a completely new hard drive was required to get a safe hacker free drive. I've got 6 new drives just collecting dust now that have been hacked. Thousands flushed down the drain, not to mention my time which is more important. Heck even tried getting the RCMP and FBI involved but they didnt care about my computer getting hacked. They did let me know there was little I could do as MS is flawed. Oh and forget about putting your old comprimized data back on there as it would just set a countdown timer for the hackers to start getting back in again.
Out of frustration I bought that cheapest macmini and set it up. I seriously didnt think it would handle my needs, but why not give it a try? I plugged it in and was blown away at how elegent and easy to use it was. I even moved over all my hacked work and laughed cause I figured it would be toast in a few days. A month went by and my system was stable...a year and a half later and its still running strong. I'm actually using a cheaper computer then what I owned for a PC and its been a faster more reliable system. My savings now are incredible and I have more money to actually invest in things I want for my computer or heck other things in life. Heck my operating system I use now with OS X is light years ahead of the PC. More importantly I gained stability, ease of use, peace of mind and saved money when using a mac. When people say that PC's are cheaper then MACs they are not looking at the whole equation.
I'm glad to see that a technician running servers with MS are able to keep their PC's running for months on end. Most people dont want to be bothered spending 4 years getting educated as a IT tech or worse cant afford to have an IT professional maintain their PC's. As a home user they are left at the mercy of the hackers. Oh and your servers that are still running are likely not running different retail software from day to day or surfing the web. List all the products your running to stay connected and add your wage to the total. Most users like to surf and try out new and exciting things. They just run some bare bones tasks and its likely using Apache webserver software, because the MS stuff is garbage. Give you a clue?
Macs with Unix are sweet indeed. Macs just work right from the box. I used to use Frontpage for web development, I switched to Nvu. It was free. LOL Cheap, reliable, user friendly and a whole lot better computer for the money then any PC. The out of the box software runs office files fine. I loaded in OpenOffice to run my Access files. The PC handled graphics detail like junk compared to the mc. If your a home user looking to get away from the hacks and patches, or a small business that doesnt want as much downtime, the mac has been a whole lot better solution.
Heck I have time to write a comment on here. Most PC users are busy scanning their system or its spamming someone else cause its already infected. LOL
Win-cement...LOL how true. The truth may hurt but its true. Your looking at someone who used to defend the PC. I dont anymore. I wised up and bought an actual computer. I saw the username wincement and thought I'm wiser meat now, cause I'm a lot harder to get hacked and hence wise "meat". The PC is something that just sucks power, reboots, lets hackers in to erase or infect your data. LOL I'm tired of those games.
I run a real computer now a mac. I spent a tiny bit of time learning how to use the mac. It was easy and in no time I was away from Microsoft products altogether. Anyone with a PC I challenge them to buy a mac, give it a try. Move your data over, learn to use the machine and see how well it works. You will be amazed.
I dont even run boot camp or parallels. I dont need anything from the PC anymore. Every app I needed for the PC I found something better and more stable from the mac. Still its nice to know I could put Bloatsoft of my mac if I wanted to. Thats a nightmare. I dont even want to go there. Its not hard for a mac to run PC software, I'm enjoying my life now away from Microsoft.
(Oct 17, 2006 - 6:31 PM)
Security vendors are likely the ones developing code that breaks into the kernal to begin with. Now that MS has locked them out of the kernal, or offers a blue screen of death to both users who use pay for the anti virus software or not, it will make it so that there will be no advantage for the antivirus company to secretly develop code that benefits their sales. MS will be able to be informed of the flaw when the blue screen occurs so the the operating system can be properly patched without causing conflicts. More control less issues.
While we are at it, why isnt the kernal placed on a locked flash drive? If a new patch becomes available, it gets downloaded and the user manually unlocks the flash drive to add the stronger code. Fast, more secure and easier to manage. If the hackers cant modify the kernal how can they hack it on a locked flash drive? Just an idea. Personally I'd like to see an ability to load office and other apps on flash drives. Imagine a computer thats ready to go as soon as the powers turned on. That would be sweet.
Myself, I was forced to switch to a mac and havent regretted it. Was constantly getting hacked on the PC and they just just blew through all the retail protection products anyways. You buy the Norton or Symantic flawed software and it didnt help anyways, hackers know how to get past those defenses as they know many users are using it. I used to rebuild my PC every few months, hardware firewalls nothing could stop the hackers even after locking the system down. It would often get hacked even trying to update the operating system. XP is junk and they touted it as more secure.
Now that I use a mac, I have found software that did everything I was using on the PC. The system is fast and stable. In fact I could leave it on and connected to the web for months without having to reboot. I doubt this Vista will be much better without doing something drastic like using flash drives to protect code.
In any event, you couldnt pay me to use a PC now. All those hours constantly updating software and scanning and removing spyware and junk, what a total waste of time. I have a computer now that doesnt lock up and is a lot stronger against attacks. Its been worry free and a whole lot better user experience. Imagine a computer that just works and is a joy to use.
Macs are sweet indeed.